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Q: Question about FAQ 1.13: "(1.13) Shuffling A Card Into An Empty Player/Encounter Deck A single card cannot be shuffled into an empty player deck or encounter deck via card effect. If this shuffling would occur during the playing or revelation of a card that is typically discarded after it is resolved, such as an event or treachery card, it is discarded. Otherwise, the card remains in its current game area." How does this interact with cards such as Rex's Curse, Kleptomania, and The Thing That Follows? For example, if you fail a skill test as Rex due to Rex's Curse while you have an empty player deck, does Rex's Curse get discarded (because it is a treachery while it is being resolved and generally speaking treacheries do to the discard pile) or does Rex's Curse remain in play (because Rex's Curse specifically would never be discarded so by 1.13 it remains in its current game area)? Similarly for trying to clear Kleptomania with an empty player deck or defeating The Thing That Follows with an empty player deck.
A: If your player deck is empty when you would discard those cards: (1) Rex’s Curse would stay in play, as it cannot be shuffled into an empty deck, and the rules that would discard such a card don’t apply to it. (2) Kleptomania would stay in play for the same reasons as Rex’s Curse. (3) The Thing That Follows would be discarded instead. This is mainly because of process of elimination; it’s an enemy with no health remaining so it can’t stay in play, but it can’t be shuffled into the player’s deck, so in the end it’s discarded. (November 2023 Rules Submission)
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Q: How do bless and curse tokens interact with Rex's Curse? Bless and curse tokens have the following effect during a skill check: "Instead of returning this token to the chaos bag, return it to the token pool." Rex's Curse states: "When you would succeed at a skill test: Return the revealed chaos token to the bag and reveal a new chaos token." If you reveal bless and/or curse tokens during a successful skill check while Rex's Curse is in play, do those tokens go back into the chaos bag (per Rex's Curse) or are they returned to the token poll (per token effect)? A: With Rex’s Curse in play, if you would succeed at a skill test, return all tokens revealed during that test (including Bless/Curse tokens) to the chaos bag, then reveal 1 new token and resolve it as normal. (Rules form, December 2023)
Treachery. Weakness
Curse.
Revelation - Put Rex's Curse into play in your threat area.
Forced - When you would succeed at a skill test: Return the revealed chaos token to the bag and reveal a new chaos token. If this effect causes you to fail the test, shuffle Rex's Curse into your deck. (Limit once per test.)
Related Cards
- Rex's Curse (Hunting for Answers #80)
FAQs
(from the official FAQ or responses to the official rules question form)Reviews
Maxine Newman's clarification on the effects of the tokens:
This is a bit of a tricky situation so I will outline it step by step, as best I can. =)
Rex’s Curse triggers during Step 6, when you determine success/failure of the skill test. By that time, some chaos token effects will have already triggered. Chaos token effects that say “if you succeed" or "if you fail” will not have triggered yet, as Rex’s Curse interrupts the timing of those effects, but since Rex’s Curse does not cancel or ignore the token (like Wendy’s Amulet or Grotesque Statue does), the token will have created a delayed effect that will trigger during Step 7, regardless of whether the token is returned to the bag or not. Chaos token effects that simply have an effect (like “Place 1 doom on the nearest Cultist enemy,” for example) trigger during Step 4, before Rex’s Curse triggers.
After you return the chaos token and draw a new chaos token from Rex’s Curse, the sequence returns to Step 3, and you should follow the sequence in order as normal.
So, in your example:
- You draw the cultist token during step 3. During step 4, you place 1 doom on the nearest cultist, as part of the token’s effect.
- When you would pass the test (during step 6), you return the revealed chaos token to the bag and reveal a new chaos token. This returns you to step 3 of the sequence.
- You draw another cultist token! Poor Rex. During step 4, you place another doom on the nearest cultist.
- Step 6 rolls around again and you pass the test, so Rex’s Curse remains in play.
Had you revealed a chaos token that says “If you succeed / if you fail” during your first reveal, it might go like this:
- You draw the hypothetical token during step 3. It says “if you fail, take 1 horror.” This creates a delayed effect that will deal you 1 horror during step 7 if you fail the test.
- When you would pass the test (during step 6), you return the revealed chaos token to the bag and reveal a new chaos token. This returns you to step 3 of the sequence.
- You draw another hypothetical token. This creates another delayed effect that will deal you 1 horror during step 7 if you fail.
- If you failed this hypothetical test, during step 7, you would take 2 horror (one from each of the tokens).
I hope this clears things up. Cheers!
Not a review but to clarify rules on this tricky card: when you return the token, its effects are not canceled, but its modifier is. So you apply the modifier of the second token, but the effects of both. (edit: this include both tokens that have effects that apply immediately when you pull them, as well as tokens having delayed effects, such as "if you fail"). To fully understand this interaction you should read the skill test timing chart in the rules reference!
This is a fairly unique signature Weakness, annoying but persistent. Looking at the two elements, the effect and the discard condition, we get:
The effect: fairly simple -- if you succeed, return the token and draw another. This has the unfortunate result that you slow down the game a bit drawing tokens and then redoing the test, keeping track of possible stacking token effects. On Hard/Expert, this can give you lots of extra chances to trigger bad token effects, but it's more manageable in Easy/Standard where the annoyance of going back to the token bag repeatedly is maybe greater than the actual mechanical effect.
The discard condition: Fail a test. However, that just puts it back in your deck. Given Seeker card draw, it's not unlikely you will see this over and over.
All in all, this is an average signature weakness, maybe above average on harder difficulties. it can end scenarios by piling on Doom, Horror, or Damage in worst case scenarios.