.41 Derringer

The way I'm going to review this card is by re-interpreting the text into three separate texts, one for each of the outcomes from success (every weapon does the same thing when you fail, so that's an un-necessary consideration). I'm also going to interpret "succeed by X", as "this test gets +X difficulty". This will turn a review of one weapon into a review of three weapon with direct comparisons to other existing weaponry, in an attempt to gauge the power-level of this card:

First, say you have a heavy aversion to risk, and really just want the cheap +2. This weapon might as well read "Spend 1 ammo: FIGHT, You get +2 for this attack", in this case. There exists one other weapon (as of Dream-Eaters) that provides a +2 boost without additional damage: Gravedigger's Shovel. A quick comparison shows that the imaginary .41 Derringer falls way short: for one less resource and two less exp, you get the same boost an infinite number of attacks, plus a little extra versatility to boot. So clearly you won't be getting this weapon for it's base effect.

Next, let's say you really like the un-upgraded .41 Derringer, and care little for extra bells and whistles. In this case, the text is equivalent to "Spend 1 ammo: FIGHT. You get +1. This attack deals +1 damage". Sound Familiar? It's a .45 Automatic, albeit for for less resource, and one less ammo. Sounds fair, right? Except the .45 Automatic costs no exp, so to be equivalent in power to a card that costs 2 less exp is a bad sign, and thus, this imaginary weapon also falls short.

Finally, the big one. "Spend 1 ammo: FIGHT. You get -1. This attack deals +1 damage. Gain an additional action (limit once per turn)". This would be the only weapon in existence that would reduce your for the attack, if it existed. And yet, if you're gunning for the biggest prize, and as proven in the prior example, you'll be playing with an inferior weapon if you don't, then you have to consider the difficulty value as three higher that it's actual value.

If, say, you want to succeed despite drawing a -3 (the staple standard for tests at medium/hard difficulty), then you want to have a final at 4 HIGHER THAN THE TEST. Not impossible, but damn are you shooting for the moon for this extra effect.

The funny things about rouges is, despite having the second largest select of weapons to guardians, not one of them have a value higher than three (until the Dream Eaters came out, I'm getting to that). Of the rogues that do have 3 , "Skids" O'Toole has access to guardian cards, Jenny Barnes can pull off some magic with Money Talks and Well Connected, and Finn Edwards does like his illicit card synergy. Whether that's enough, I'll leave to you, because personally, I'll not sold on the idea. A better candidate would be Leo Anderson, especially with Beat Cop, who, with all the expensive allies he'll undoubtedly have, might appreciate a cheaper weapon alternative.

...And then along comes Tony Morgan, blowing all other candidates out of the water. Unlike the others, he's a combat thoroughbred, unlikely to be doing anything other than fighting (don't you dare mention seeker Tony). He alone can make .41 Derringer work, in my opinion, and not a moment too soon, as I like the "succeed by X" archetype for rogue, but never really got to see the fighting version of it (alongside Switchblade), until now.

Lucaxiom · 4459
Except that the .41 isn’t any one of those three, it’s all of them at the same time. To put it another way, imagine the last version had the extra line: “if this attack fails, deal 1 damage and ignore retaliate (2 damage if you failed by 2 or less). Even when it doesn’t hit the highest mark, it’s still doing something, and even a 3 base combat rogue shooting this at a 2 fight enemy gets the extra action 25% of the time. With any boosting, a 3 combat rogue can see the same odds against the mid-campaign typical 3 or 4 fight enemies. — Death by Chocolate · 1473
Death by Chocolate has the right analysis here. The composite between the effects is significant, also it's important to remember that there are a number of succeed by X effects in rogue (All In, Lucky Cigarette Case, Watch This) which are likely to be employed in tandem with this card. — Difrakt · 1304
The insurance against failure is a fair point, so too is the anecdote about synergies with the "succeed by X" archetype. My point about it's power level still stands however; if you play this weapon, fire all three shots and don't get at least one instance of the best outcome, you would've been better off investing into other options. A 25% chance of this happening per try over three tries puts you at approximately 58% chance of not having the worst outcome occur; whether one trigger of the additional action is enough to justify the asking price is still debatable. — Lucaxiom · 4459
Part of the issue with comparing this to Gravedigger's Shovel and the .45 is that you're comparing it to out-of-faction weapons. Sure, Skids can take the .45, and Finn can take the shovel, but some rogues don't have access to either of those factions. There really isn't a lot of great competition within the rogue faction that isn't more xp, requires greater success (Switchblade, also is more expensive with taboo), or gives you a lower boost. Also, even if you're just trying for the +1 damage, you're probably going to sometimes get the extra action. — Zinjanthropus · 229
You can't break a card up like that to get its true value, especially comparing it to different cards each time. I also believe you are strongly underestimating Rogue's ability to boost their stats — Tilted Libra · 37
While you could break it down as an individual card, most likely your average rogue is specifically focusing on the extra action by playing other cards. Play this with Quick Thinking, Overpower, and Watch This and suddenly your gun is giving 2 actions, 1 card, and 3 resources. I get that everyone is happy to break down how many actions/resources/cards you spent to get to that point, but this game lives in the burst, too, not just in the tempo, and that burst can be a game-maker. Do all that with Double or Nothing on a 2 fight enemy with a 3 STR rogue. — Time4Tiddy · 245
Inspiring Presence

I want to make a point about this card, and it's three cousins "Watch this!", Eureka!, and Resourceful, skill cards with three, fixed, distinct icons.

These are, in essence, win-more cards; cards that get their value when you commit them to tests you're already likely to succeed, and will fail you should you be looking to even the odds against a skill test that's beyond you. They will only ever add +1 to whatever test you perform (save for some fringe cases where two attributes are being tested in one skill check), and they pile on the pressure to pass that test, as the gap in outcomes between success and failure widen from committing this card.

Skill cards lie on a sliding scale between improving your odds of succeeding versus increasing the rewards for doing so. Cards like Cunning and Inquiring Mind occupy the former extreme, Inspiring Presence and its ilk occupy the later, and the core set neutral skill cards (e.g. Perception) define the middle ground. When picking which skill cards to include in your deck, you need to be mindful of which extreme they lean towards.

If you're planning to make use of an investigator's base attribute of three, then forget about win-more skill cards: your success will never be guaranteed without a +2 boost to that attribute MINIMUM. If you have base attribute of 4, the odds will be on your side on the easiest of tests (i.e difficulty 2 and below), but if you have an attribute value of 4, then you're likely expected to take on the harder tests (i.e difficulty 4 and above), for which win-more cards alone won't cut it. If you rock a base attribute of 5, then you're golden; include these cards to your heart's content...

...Which leads to the catch-22 of Inspiring Presence and co.; that they have three skill icons for different attributes, but will only really find use in test with base attributes of 4 or above, of which no investigator has more than two such attributes, and only a handful have more than one. You'll do yourself a dis-service should you spread yourself too thin,.

So here is the big conclusion of this review; the flexibility of this card exists NOT at the game stage, BUT AT THE DECK-BUILDING STAGE. In essence, these win-more cards are almost identical to Vicious Blow, Deduction, Fearless, and Survival Instinct; they just have a place in more decks thanks to the icons. Using the example of Inspiring Presence, most Guardians would compare this directly to Vicious Blow, but other takers, like Jim Culver or Joe Diamond, could very well make the case of replacing (or complimenting) Fearless and Deduction respectively in a more ally focused deck (like for instance, Olive McBride and Dr. Milan Christopher post Taboo List).

These cards are easy includes into decks that can make use of them, their power deriving from benefits that require no actions OR resources to play. Just, take care to not fall into the trap of thinking your deck is now all-purpose; just because the deck-building metrics tell you you've got a lot of , , and icons in your deck, doesn't mean you're going make use of all of them.

Lucaxiom · 4459
This seems like it assumes that you are always testing against the same value, which isn’t true, or that these ‘win more’ cards can’t find additional opportunities from the tests of other investigators (most can). There is plenty of value in these cards as a pseudo wild when you just need to push a break point for yourself or an ally, or can be staples on a low test (which can be expected within the natural variance of a scenario, or set up with a Flashlight). — Death by Chocolate · 1473
I don't fully disagree with your analysis, but I don't quite understand how your analysis supplements the idea that these are "win more" cards. You can, as DbC pointed out, test these cards at varying values. Sometimes you get a high fight test that's a bit too risky even if you're Leo Anderson, while other times you'll get a very low Shroud test that might be worth throwing this on to. It's only win-more if passing was enough to win the scenario anyway; what these cards actually let you do is maintain momentum. It's just statistics- sometimes you will lose a test you commit these to, but if you have enough effects like this in your deck, you can count on some number of them triggering at some point, and the more icons it has, the more likely it is you'll find the time to get the effect. Some of them, like Resourceful, Eureka!, and Inspiring Presence, are essential cogs in a deck's strategy. I wouldn't consider that win more any more than I'd consider Emergency Cache win more. — StyxTBeuford · 13028
Yeah i think the big use of 3 icons in my opinion that you are missing in your review is the value of "I am mark harrigan, i can only use this as a fight icon effectively, but my buddy daisy could have it to help her investigate, or my buddy agnes could use it to cast a spell, and I still get the benefit of readying and healing allies" — NarkasisBroon · 10
I agree with the Win More analysis. You don't want to commit these cards to tests that are a bit too risky because it really isn't about going from 0 to +1 or +1 to +2. You want to be sure that you pass the test. Very, very sure. Watch This! is probably the most critical one to pass since you gambled resources on it though but you put these cards in the deck because you want the reward in addition to the skill icon. One additional factor that goes beyond the analysis is using Grisly Totem or playing in a group with Minh where the card now becomes a wild +2. That does make a considerable change to the test results. — The Lynx · 979
Glimpse the Unthinkable

Edit: Weirdmarine asked in another review how many cards Harvey Walters could draw. The answer is too big of a comment, so i updated my review.

First assume the following cards are in play

This brings him to a max handsize of 18 and only the first copy counts against your handsize. With those 7 cards in play your deck will be smaller. So you're likely drawing more cards than your deck and discard have so you'll take horror each time you shuffle your empty deck and go insane.

Even outside Harvey (without Vault of Knowledge) you end up with a max hand size of 14. So you still draw lots of cards that could make you go insane as well.

Updated review of this card

Seekers have a lot of card draw, but redoing your hand is very powerful, especially when your cards don't help or you ran out. on some encounter cards can result in that.

Combos

Alternatives

  • If you're looking for specific cards, use No Stone Unturned or Mr. "Rook" instead. The first can also be used to help other players
  • Cryptic Research costs 1 fewer XP, no ressources and no action; Can also target other players
Django · 5093
Are you thinking that you have to shuffle a card in to draw one? That doesn't seem right to me. The two effects are unrelated, there's no "then" or anything connecting them, so if you have 0 cards in hand after playing Glimpse the Unthinkable then you can draw up to your maximum hand size without having to give anything up. Or am I confused? — bee123 · 31
I agree with you, bee123. "Shuffle any number of non-weakness cards from your hand into your deck." That number can be zero. — Soemann · 1
@bee123 is correct, you can play this as the last card in your hand and you will then draw eight cards. Your maximum hand size is defined by the game rules (usually it's 8), not the number of cards you had in hand when you cast this. — SGPrometheus · 821
It's unfortunate that there are some factual errors with this review due to misunderstanding how it works, as I mostly agree that there are much better options for card draw — Ildirin · 2
Actually you're right, i misunderstood the card. I'll correct it in a few days. — Django · 5093
I have two things to say in response so I’ll solit them across two posts. First, the rules for running out of cards: “If an investigator with an empty investigator deck needs to draw a card, that investigator shuffles his or her discard pile back into his or her deck, then draws the card, and upon completion of the entire draw takes one horror.” Note the ‘then’ and also ‘upon completion.’ If you have no cards in the discard pile you cannot shuffle them into the deck, so once you reach that state the rest of the draws from the ability will whiff. Also, the entire draw effect of multiple cards is simultaneous so you will only take one horror for the entire Glimpse the Unthinkable. It’ll still cause you to suffer a horror every upkeep, so best not to hold all your cards forever. — Death by Chocolate · 1473
Second, Harvey only has one copy of Vault of Knowledge in his deck, so you can’t play two of them. However, if you take “You Owe Me One!” With Versatile instead of Sign Magik, you can play two copies of Sign Magik from your friend’s deck - plus a third Arcane Enlightenmentand Laboratory Assistant (with a second Chrisma). That will put you at a neat 19 card max hand size. Leo Anderson is the only other investigator in the game who can reach this. He doesn’t have Vault of Knowledge, but can make up for it by playing a fourth Laboratory Assistant thanks to Mitch. — Death by Chocolate · 1473
Sorry, that was small minded of me: instead of just playing our friends’ Sign Magicks, we play their Book of Shadows and EVEN MORE Arcane Enlightenment. The book adds an arcane slot for more enlightenment which adds another hand slot for tomes. Marie, Jim, and Luke bring what we need. With six Book of Shadows and two Sign Magicks, plus the four Laboratory Assistants, and EIGHT Arcane Enlightenments (plus the Dream Enhancing Serum and Vault of Knowledge), we’re up to a Maximum Hand Size of 24 before duplicates and still have another arcane slot and hands for two tomes to spare. I call this build Highest Education. — Death by Chocolate · 1473
In my previous comment I meant three laboratory assistants. The upcoming Miskatonic Archailogy Funding kicks this a little further because it means that one of our fellow investigators can bring another two Laboratory Assistants for us to take (for a total of 5, and officially pushes Harvey ahead of Leo who hilariously can’t get the funding for an expedition) and brings the Maximum Hand Size up to a whopping 28 - before duplicates. — Death by Chocolate · 1473
Persuasion

I really want to like this card in a Carolyn Fern deck for the theme alone - and the fact that she can't play any weapons level 1+ and is so good at getting clues. But I feel a bit bad about putting an enemy back in the deck, and in some campaigns there aren't a lot of humanoids. I'll start with it in the deck but have a feeling it will go pretty quickly once the fighter types in the group get amped up.

Krysmopompas · 360
If you're dealing with lots of humanoid enemies (like in TCU), use handcuffs instead. It's a permanent solution that works pretty well with witches and cultists. However Carolyn doen't have the fight value for it. — Django · 5093
Put some Fine Clothes on to reduce difficulty and you can send aloof archers back into the jungle or nasty witches. Never tried it myself but seems useful for some scenarios. — Ezhaeu · 50
Yeah I love the Fine Clothes combo, but in a 4-player game (which I'm playing now) and at least 2 big fighters, this card went down the priority scale. I think it would be great solo or in 2 player, for a longer amount of time. — Krysmopompas · 360
Twilight Blade

This weapon is so well oiled, it won't stay stuck in slimy spheres (good on you Diana!)

However, it still requires you to get close to your target, so it won't protect you from a haunted sarcophagus (sarcophaguses? sarcophagi?)

Also, don't expect it to catch anything flying either.

Nenananas · 258
So you cast the magic bullet with this knife? — AquaDrehz · 202